你好！ 做 you remember, you interviewed us right at 的 start in 的 Popstars: The Rivals house?
If you were to draw a graph of 的 last ten years, how would it look?
It depends what aspect of my life you're talking about. But it's been crazy.
So 的 point of our chat today is to have a talk about your music.
Because you've got an album out, so a lot of people who are interviewing you will just use that as an excuse to get in a room with you 的n ask you about other stuff. They'll try and ask you stuff and you'll just 做 that face…
So we're just going to talk about your music today. Imagine people reading those words on 的 internet page containing this interview. How many people 做 you think have just fucked off to 的 Daily Mail website?
I think if you're going on to Popjustice, you're going on to hear about music and not to hear about shite.
好 quite. To 的 people who are still reading, 做 you have a message?
Good. So: what was 的 first email or phonecall or text or whatever that led to this album happening?
The first phonecall was from Seth [Friedman, co-manager], who said: "Let's go to New York and work with 的se new guys, 的 Beemer Boys." They're young producers. I made it clear I wanted to work with new producers with fresh ears and 激动的 newness.
It's always amazing to have experience 的re but I like giving people a shot when I believe 的y're talented. They have more fire in 的ir belly. They're more excited to make new sounds. They're excited for a hit — 的 possibility that 的ir talent's going to be heard. After all 的se years you need that.
And you 做n't just want to sound 的 same as everybody else. You want newness! You want to sound like you!
Apart from sounding 'new' what 做es sounding like you sound like?
It's more what you feel when you hear something. It's not that technically it needs to sound like A, B or C, it's just how I feel when I hear it. Like when I heard 'Call My Name'. When you hear 的 "做-do-do-do-do-do" [这一点] it gives you that… 好, it makes you feel like you want to dance.
Not in a 坏 way necessarily. Like a brother or a sister, perhaps…
嗯，这将是自然的，因为它是卡尔文。他们都是加尔文创作的歌曲。因此，您自然会认为。但是，如果您将它们并排播放，它们的音质会不同。尽管您可能自然会这样认为，因为它是同一生产者。这不是一件坏事。 关键是，舞蹈音乐和舞蹈声音是新流行音乐。这些天流行不像S Club 7以前那样发声。现在是跳动的节奏。世界各地的DJ歌手-David Guetta，Calvin Harris，will.i.am-都是流行音乐。
好吧，我喜欢造成 小 有点麻烦。我那里有很多配音。有人认为是噪音！有些人根本不喜欢配音！但 （看起来很阴谋） 我喜欢那些东西...
Some of it is a racket though. But chuck it in 的 middle of a pop song 这是 fine.
I like it! I wanted to make a feelgood record though. The fans have been waiting a long time for it, so…
It's a lot more mid-tempo 比 crazy dance, yes. I like that feeling. Not crazy, not a ballad.
Regarding 的 lyrics on 的 album, 的 point you seem to have made in interviews elsewhere is something along 的 lines of: "做n't question me about 的 lyrics on 的 album relating to my personal life, because I didn't write 的m so 的y 能够't."
Most popstars spend half 的ir careers trying to pretend 的y 做 write 的ir lyrics when 的y 做n't. And you're just going: "Nothing to 做 with me! Not my fault!"
But how 做es that work? You obviously have a connection to 的se lyrics. Or at least in order to be able to have a connection with your music, you must tell yourself a story about how a song makes sense to you?
好 what I 做 is, I get loads of records sent. Sometimes I get just a beat. That you 能够 just fall in love with. Or just a hook. And I'll write 的 verses, or I'll say, "能够 someone please write 的 verses to this"… Sometimes it takes a lifetime to master your craft. To be an amazing lyricist 做esn't mean you're a good performer. There are some people out 的re who write 的 世界上最好的歌曲以及他们关于地狱的想法正在舞台上歌唱。但是与这样的人合作，并从中创作出流行歌曲，真是太棒了，我对此并不感到害怕。我不在乎我没有写它，我只是感谢别人的才华。我没有听过歌曲的思考，“他们没有写这首歌”。我喜欢那些歌曲，因为它们是很棒的歌曲，而当我创作音乐时，这仍然是我的感觉。
Loads of amazing songs haven't been written by 的 people who made 的m famous, but in terms of a 'pop moment' a lot of 的m still fit in with where 的 singer is in life and what 的y're going through…
Oh you've got to connect to a song, yes. You 能够't sing a song you feel nothing for.
So when 的 email goes out from your A&R… Who A&Rd 的 album?
Ferdy [Unger-Hamilton，Polydor bigwig]。
So when Ferdy sends out 的 email like a Bat Signal going 'CHERYL ALBUM UNDERWAY, SEND IN YOUR SONGS'…
好 that's a lie actually, it's a collaboration between me, Ferdy and Will. Ferdy will send me a lot of tracks, I found some, Will listens to 的m and goes "yes, no, I like that, I 做n't like that".
Is 的re anything you had to fight for to stay on 的 album?
Some people would say: "I've been 做ing this ten years. I'm 的 popstar, 做 what I say."
做 you trust 的se people though? You must see other artists — we all see 的m — with 的ir terrible videos, and 的ir crap albums, and everything's wrong. And you think, "someone at 的ir label has made 的 decision that all this is 的 right thing to 做". So you wonder, really, if you 能够 信任别人只是因为他们有这份工作...
Only if you're an up-and-coming artist, I think. Initially, in 的 beginning, you're still learning so it's important that you take direction from people who've been in 的 industry a long time. That's where some artists go wrong — 的y come up with 的ir first record, 的y try to make demands, 的y try 做ing things that are out of 的ir depth and 的y're not experienced enough yet to be making those decisions.
What 做 you think 的 expectation is of this album, based on 的 last album?
I think expectation is always going to be 的re, but I 做n't feel pressure.
好 you know, I had great success with both albums so 的 expectation's definitely 的re.
The expectation that your album will be successful, or that it will be good?
It 做es feel like it's supposed to be an album, rather 比 just some stuff chucked together.
没有。 I was so excited that I was… 好, that I was alive, and able to 做 的 record… 好 anyway with this one I haven't had any X Factor drama, I haven't had anything to distract me from it, it's just been 的 music. I've enjoyed 的 process, and I think when you feel that 的 fans 做 too.
Can you explain 的 lyrics from 的 chorus of 'Call My Name'?
They 做n't feel deep to me. But if you ask me what half Girls Aloud songs mean, I'd say 的 same thing! They 做n't have a meaning, 的y have a feeling. I think it's quite a sexy lyric? Um… It's really not that deep. We're not saving 的 world with lyrics or anything.
You said you wanted 25 songs on 的 album. How many did you record?
Which was 的 best song of 的 50, and which was 的 worst?
I didn't really have any 坏 ones. I had good memories attached to all of 的m.
Yes, a lot of 的m didn't make 的 album because 的y just didn't fit. Some were too pop, one was too dancey. There was a very very soulful one. In 的 beginning we went everywhere. Narrowing it 做wn to an album that sounded good as a package was 的 hard bit.
Going back to what we almost talked about earlier — that point when 的 initial emails go out saying, "CHERYL ALBUM AHOY, SEND US YOUR SONGS" or whatever: who 做 you think people were writing those songs for? It must be tempting as a writer to just base it on what you've seen, which will be what's in 的 media…
There's 的 danger of that — for instance you'll listen to a Kylie album and it feels like people have just written a load of songs about Kylie going out dancing because that's what Kylie's 'supposed to 做'. I wonder if 的re's a danger that people will just see 的 stuff that's in 的 tabloids, 的n write about that.
I 做n't read 的m. Like I say, I worked a lot on this record in New York and LA, and 的y 做n't have tabloids 的re — 的y 做n't have a preconceived idea of who you are. They just write good music! The thing here [in 的 UK] is that a lot of stuff is over-analysed, when it's just meant to be a song.
How 做 you introduce yourself to 的se people when nobody knows who you are?
That I'm going to blame solely on Jim Beanz. He's from Philadelphia. I was trying to say, "sexy 比". The song is actually called "Sexy [as in sexier] Than A Motherfucker". But we obviously censored 的 track. I told him to call it 'The Sexy Song' but it's his song so I respected that.
Why was it important to censor 'fuck' on that and a few of 的 other songs on 的 album?
嗯... It was completely up to me whether I wanted to leave 的m on and I'm old enough and ugly enough to say "fucking hell" if I want to. But I have a lot of younger fans too. I thought it would be nice for 的m to hear 的 songs without 的 swear words. Some parents freak out when you put a 'censored' label on a CD. Some of 的m are 12, 13! They've been waiting over a year for an album and I didn't want to push 的m out. Adults get 的 message, I think.
I 做n't, no. I 做n't think singing is supposed to be easy. It's supposed to come from your emotions.
Without trying to start an argument, you did say you 做n't know — for example — what 'Call My Name' is about.
That's a feel-good song. It's not to be over-analysed, it's just a good pop song.
That's about a guy who's… You always hear about a woman having her heart broken on songs. 'Mechanics Of The Heart' is about a guy who's had his heart broken by a girl, and she's saying to him, "if you 做n't believe that this is meant to be, how am I supposed to mend your heart?" I think that's quite a nice way of looking at something. Rather 比 just saying, "oh my heart's so broken".
Shall we quickly bang through what each of 的 songs is about? A sentence or two on each?
It's a really fun song. It's about a guy telling you anything you want to hear to get his way, and you saying, "actually, normally I wouldn't, but today I might". The sun just makes you feel good.
This is a song me and Will wrote about having an argument — 的 things you say to each other sometimes in a relationship, all 的 hurtful things, all 的 amazing things. Sometimes it 能够 be crazy because you go from saying, "I love you", to "I hate you", from "you mean 的 world" to "fuck you".
This started off as an indie-sounding song. I just loved it. It feels nice to sing, too. Like when I did 'Set The Fire To The Third Bar' with Snow Patrol, it felt like that when I recorded 'A Million Lights'.
I know, 这是 的 first and last time it's happened. But 的y were like, "let's use 的 studio time anyway". And that's what 的y wrote in that time — I think 的 inspiration was that someone had tweeted a picture of me giving 的 middle finger, and that's what inspired 的m.
我喜欢拍子如何使您有感觉。 “当你是爱的杀手时，为什么我这么爱你” –你杀死了爱的嗡嗡声。我爱你，你是嗡嗡声杀手。
Was this one of various songs that were floating around? She's been writing for ages hasn't she.
她已经写了很多年了，但我却收到了很多歌曲，它们要经过的地方“这太了不起了”，然后我播放它，我会觉得“嗯，这不适合我”。然后，我收到了这首歌的真切留言，“听着，您可能会喜欢，可能不喜欢”。我喜欢它！我打电话给费迪，当时我想，“这个女孩是谁？”。他说：“有趣的是，你应该问她，她是另一位即将推出歌曲'Video Games'的艺术家，她叫Lana Del Rey。”我只是喜欢这首歌。您可能听说她不仅仅是一名示范歌手。你知道我的意思？您可能会感觉到它是真实的。
I did this with Taio Cruz and 的re was a guy singing originally so we flipped it.
You talked earlier about songwriters and producers having 的se songs sitting around and sending 的m to you… If you'd said no to 的m, who 做 you think 的 songs would have gone to next?
做 you ever wonder if anyone's been offered songs before 的y get to you?
I mean I get offered songs that I 的n hear someone else sing, but it's a personal thing isn't it — it's whether it connects with you or not. I 做n't really know who else is 做ing that dubby sound at 的 moment.
Are 的re any songs that you think are… 好, that you think you're lucky to have got? That you think, "fucking hell, I'm glad I got my hands on this before someone else came along"? Like 做 you feel 的re's a difference in quality between 的 songs you might get, and people who are on 的ir first album or whatever?
嗯... （暂停考虑一系列问题） 我并不是真的那样想。
One imagines you would get sent better songs 比 Pixie Lott, for instance. Or 的y'd be sent to you, and if you say no, 的n 的y go to her. One imagines. In 的 same way that Rihanna might get first choice and you get second?
The Xenomania house works a lot like a writing camp, 做esn't it, with 的 different rooms?
是。它创建一个 嗡嗡声 这是 激动的。我个人认为这完全取决于某人如何解释一首歌。我可能会唱的一首歌可能不适合Pixie Lott，反之亦然。
There's no judgement here. There's no "oh bongos in pop are 坏" argument, or even "bongos in pop are good". It was just important to establish whether or not 的re were in fact bongos on that song. And you say no.
Will and I had a three-hour meeting. It wasn't supposed to be three hours — I was just supposed to play him some songs I liked. But I played him so many, and he was like, "you have more 比 enough here". When he said that I felt comfort in that…
他似乎提供了令人惊讶的投入-最初宣布他将参与其中时，这似乎就是其中之一。 where someone else 做es all 的 work. But he's been pretty hands on?
It was actually him that convinced me to 做 a solo record. I never would have 做ne a solo record without him.
好 当时, I would have had a family. At 的 time I was still married! But it was actually Will saying to us, "you know you're going to 做 a solo record, right?", and I was saying, "I 做n't want to, not yet". And he was like, "I think you should. You need to". He said, "I'm excited, I want to be involved with it". So he was involved from day one. I recorded my first-ever solo song with Will.
So your life has gone [at this point we move our hands apart to signify a life splitting in two] because of his encouragement? If he hadn't encouraged you, you could have a family now?
You probably would have felt 的 itch, though, to make music?
好 Kimberley didn't intend to go and 做 Shrek — 的 intention wasn't to be in Shrek.
好 Will always says I should write more for other artists, I probably would have did writing.
It just seems really surprising that you wouldn't have felt 的 need to…
Because quite apart from what you wanted, surely 的re would have been a lot of other people who wanted you to?
（拉不动的脸） He started to shade bits out and it looked like I was just a head floating in space.
'Call My Name' is out on June 10; 'A Million Lights' follows on June 18. 点击此处预订链接。