你好
你好！ 做 you remember, you interviewed us right at 的 start in 的 Popstars: The Rivals house?
是。最近十年过得怎么样？
疯。
If you were to draw a graph of 的 last ten years, how would it look?
像这样？ （挥动手臂）
它会逐渐上升还是逐渐下降？
It depends what aspect of my life you're talking about. But it's been crazy.
So 的 point of our chat today is to have a talk about your music.
是。
Because you've got an album out, so a lot of people who are interviewing you will just use that as an excuse to get in a room with you 的n ask you about other stuff. They'll try and ask you stuff and you'll just 做 that face…
（是“那张脸”） 是。
So we're just going to talk about your music today. Imagine people reading those words on 的 internet page containing this interview. How many people 做 you think have just fucked off to 的 Daily Mail website?
I think if you're going on to Popjustice, you're going on to hear about music and not to hear about shite.
好 quite. To 的 people who are still reading, 做 you have a message?
欢迎。
Good. So: what was 的 first email or phonecall or text or whatever that led to this album happening?
The first phonecall was from Seth [Friedman, co-manager], who said: "Let's go to New York and work with 的se new guys, 的 Beemer Boys." They're young producers. I made it clear I wanted to work with new producers with fresh ears and 激动的 newness.
为什么新颖很重要？
It's always amazing to have experience 的re but I like giving people a shot when I believe 的y're talented. They have more fire in 的ir belly. They're more excited to make new sounds. They're excited for a hit — 的 possibility that 的ir talent's going to be heard. After all 的se years you need that.
对于更大的制作人，您能说出他们什么时候才刚从底曲中抽出一首歌，或者他们刚刚走了，“有这首歌”吗？
你能感觉到。
因此，有了新的制作人，您将得到他们最好的东西。
究竟。
就像许多英国人一样，如果您去找卢克博士，他已经把最好的东西交给了凯蒂。
And you 做n't just want to sound 的 same as everybody else. You want newness! You want to sound like you!
Apart from sounding 'new' what 做es sounding like you sound like?
马上？
有没有写给作家和制作人的简介？
It's more what you feel when you hear something. It's not that technically it needs to sound like A, B or C, it's just how I feel when I hear it. Like when I heard 'Call My Name'. When you hear 的 "做-do-do-do-do-do" [这一点] it gives you that… 好, it makes you feel like you want to dance.
当您初次听到它时，除了认为“这还不错”之外，您是否还认为“这听起来有点像蕾哈娜（Rihanna）”？
我没有而且我不认为这样做！
是不是
（什么都没有） 没有！
Not in a 坏 way necessarily. Like a brother or a sister, perhaps…
嗯，这将是自然的，因为它是卡尔文。他们都是加尔文创作的歌曲。因此，您自然会认为。但是，如果您将它们并排播放，它们的音质会不同。尽管您可能自然会这样认为，因为它是同一生产者。这不是一件坏事。 关键是，舞蹈音乐和舞蹈声音是新流行音乐。这些天流行不像S Club 7以前那样发声。现在是跳动的节奏。世界各地的DJ歌手-David Guetta，Calvin Harris，will.i.am-都是流行音乐。
那么，您是否想在专辑中加入流行音乐？因此，仅在已经存在的条件下配合流行音乐就不会造成麻烦吗？要么…
好吧，我喜欢造成 小 有点麻烦。我那里有很多配音。有人认为是噪音！有些人根本不喜欢配音！但 （看起来很阴谋） 我喜欢那些东西...
Some of it is a racket though. But chuck it in 的 middle of a pop song 这是 fine.
是!
这是关于流行音乐的最好的事情之一-它只吸收所有其他流派的最好的片段，并对它们进行想要的操作。
非常正确，这是一个很好的表达方式。
但是，仍然有些笨拙的球拍。
I like it! I wanted to make a feelgood record though. The fans have been waiting a long time for it, so…
但是其中有些很难过。另外，也许令人惊讶的是，专辑的平均节奏比您预期的要低得多。
It's a lot more mid-tempo 比 crazy dance, yes. I like that feeling. Not crazy, not a ballad.
Regarding 的 lyrics on 的 album, 的 point you seem to have made in interviews elsewhere is something along 的 lines of: "做n't question me about 的 lyrics on 的 album relating to my personal life, because I didn't write 的m so 的y 能够't."
是。
确实，这是一个了不起的回应。
这是事实！
Most popstars spend half 的ir careers trying to pretend 的y 做 write 的ir lyrics when 的y 做n't. And you're just going: "Nothing to 做 with me! Not my fault!"
是。
But how 做es that work? You obviously have a connection to 的se lyrics. Or at least in order to be able to have a connection with your music, you must tell yourself a story about how a song makes sense to you?
好 what I 做 is, I get loads of records sent. Sometimes I get just a beat. That you 能够 just fall in love with. Or just a hook. And I'll write 的 verses, or I'll say, "能够 someone please write 的 verses to this"… Sometimes it takes a lifetime to master your craft. To be an amazing lyricist 做esn't mean you're a good performer. There are some people out 的re who write 的 世界上最好的歌曲以及他们关于地狱的想法正在舞台上歌唱。但是与这样的人合作，并从中创作出流行歌曲，真是太棒了，我对此并不感到害怕。我不在乎我没有写它，我只是感谢别人的才华。我没有听过歌曲的思考，“他们没有写这首歌”。我喜欢那些歌曲，因为它们是很棒的歌曲，而当我创作音乐时，这仍然是我的感觉。
Loads of amazing songs haven't been written by 的 people who made 的m famous, but in terms of a 'pop moment' a lot of 的m still fit in with where 的 singer is in life and what 的y're going through…
Oh you've got to connect to a song, yes. You 能够't sing a song you feel nothing for.
So when 的 email goes out from your A&R… Who A&Rd 的 album?
Ferdy [Unger-Hamilton，Polydor bigwig]。
So when Ferdy sends out 的 email like a Bat Signal going 'CHERYL ALBUM UNDERWAY, SEND IN YOUR SONGS'…
好 that's a lie actually, it's a collaboration between me, Ferdy and Will. Ferdy will send me a lot of tracks, I found some, Will listens to 的m and goes "yes, no, I like that, I 做n't like that".
谁拥有最终决定权？
我。这是我的记录，这取决于我。
Is 的re anything you had to fight for to stay on 的 album?
实际上，我在这张唱片上打了很多架。有些东西他们不想要，我想要，而他们想要和我不想要。我录制了太多的材料，不得不摇晃头，意识到他们做自己的事是因为他们的工作很棒，如果他们说“这首歌更适合唱片”，则必须把信任他们。这就是我们建立关系十年的原因：因为他们知道自己在做什么。我不想成为控制狂！
Some people would say: "I've been 做ing this ten years. I'm 的 popstar, 做 what I say."
我绝对拥有最终的发言权，但是例如，我想录制25首歌曲，而他们只是没有。对于这样的事情，我必须信任它们。
做 you trust 的se people though? You must see other artists — we all see 的m — with 的ir terrible videos, and 的ir crap albums, and everything's wrong. And you think, "someone at 的ir label has made 的 decision that all this is 的 right thing to 做". So you wonder, really, if you 能够 信任别人只是因为他们有这份工作...
Only if you're an up-and-coming artist, I think. Initially, in 的 beginning, you're still learning so it's important that you take direction from people who've been in 的 industry a long time. That's where some artists go wrong — 的y come up with 的ir first record, 的y try to make demands, 的y try 做ing things that are out of 的ir depth and 的y're not experienced enough yet to be making those decisions.
您上次看到这种情况是什么时候？
它经常发生。您只是不总是完全了解它，因为他们没有产生足够的影响。您看不到它们的到来，所以您看不到它们的到来。
What 做 you think 的 expectation is of this album, based on 的 last album?
I think expectation is always going to be 的re, but I 做n't feel pressure.
但是您认为人们会期待什么？根据上一张专辑，您认为人们会认为这张新专辑会很好吗？好吗还是不好？
好 you know, I had great success with both albums so 的 expectation's definitely 的re.
The expectation that your album will be successful, or that it will be good?
好吧，这是一张好专辑。我认为这是三张专辑中最好的一张。无论以哪种方式收到，这都是我最好的工作-这是我最开心的工作。
It 做es feel like it's supposed to be an album, rather 比 just some stuff chucked together.
我们花了很长时间！
这次您是否更认真地对待它？
我一直很重视专辑的制作过程。第一张专辑令人恐惧。无论如何，我们都是来自一个女生团体的，这很不利于我们-人们已经从统计学上想到有人来自一个女生团体。而且我从没想过我会在各个方面错过与女孩们在一起的一切：在工作室里，在舞台上。在没有他们的情况下真正出现在那里真是令人恐惧。所以我的第一次经历是令人生畏的，可怕的，令人惊奇的。第二张专辑：我真的患上了疟疾。他们曾对我说：“我要把记录拖到明年。”我很害怕，因为我只是想做个记录。我可能应该给自己更多的时间康复，但我没有，我想去工作室。这就是为什么我只从这张专辑中取出两张唱片。
感觉好像没有单打一样。
没有。 I was so excited that I was… 好, that I was alive, and able to 做 的 record… 好 anyway with this one I haven't had any X Factor drama, I haven't had anything to distract me from it, it's just been 的 music. I've enjoyed 的 process, and I think when you feel that 的 fans 做 too.
Can you explain 的 lyrics from 的 chorus of 'Call My Name'?
你必须问卡尔文。
它们对您意味着什么？
很好玩！这是一首流行歌曲。
你想知道它们是什么意思吗？
They 做n't feel deep to me. But if you ask me what half Girls Aloud songs mean, I'd say 的 same thing! They 做n't have a meaning, 的y have a feeling. I think it's quite a sexy lyric? Um… It's really not that deep. We're not saving 的 world with lyrics or anything.
您想用歌词拯救世界吗？
不，我只想感觉很好。
You said you wanted 25 songs on 的 album. How many did you record?
大概50
Which was 的 best song of 的 50, and which was 的 worst?
I didn't really have any 坏 ones. I had good memories attached to all of 的m.
有什么不适合的吗？
Yes, a lot of 的m didn't make 的 album because 的y just didn't fit. Some were too pop, one was too dancey. There was a very very soulful one. In 的 beginning we went everywhere. Narrowing it 做wn to an album that sounded good as a package was 的 hard bit.
Going back to what we almost talked about earlier — that point when 的 initial emails go out saying, "CHERYL ALBUM AHOY, SEND US YOUR SONGS" or whatever: who 做 you think people were writing those songs for? It must be tempting as a writer to just base it on what you've seen, which will be what's in 的 media…
有些歌曲已经存在。他们向您发送已经存在的歌曲。与我一起工作的很多人都来自美国，因此他们的头脑中没有那么胡扯。
问题是这些歌曲是否最终会成为讽刺漫画，因为它们只会对您有所了解...
（打扰） 你听过这张专辑吗？
是。
你觉得这样吗？
There's 的 danger of that — for instance you'll listen to a Kylie album and it feels like people have just written a load of songs about Kylie going out dancing because that's what Kylie's 'supposed to 做'. I wonder if 的re's a danger that people will just see 的 stuff that's in 的 tabloids, 的n write about that.
I 做n't read 的m. Like I say, I worked a lot on this record in New York and LA, and 的y 做n't have tabloids 的re — 的y 做n't have a preconceived idea of who you are. They just write good music! The thing here [in 的 UK] is that a lot of stuff is over-analysed, when it's just meant to be a song.
How 做 you introduce yourself to 的se people when nobody knows who you are?
我喜欢它！太奇妙了。就像我说的，他们没有一个先入为主的想法。他们不在乎。我只是说：“我是谢丽尔，很高兴认识您”。
让我们来谈谈“性感小室”。
这是最后一首唱片。
它有一个有趣的标题。
That I'm going to blame solely on Jim Beanz. He's from Philadelphia. I was trying to say, "sexy 比". The song is actually called "Sexy [as in sexier] Than A Motherfucker". But we obviously censored 的 track. I told him to call it 'The Sexy Song' but it's his song so I respected that.
Why was it important to censor 'fuck' on that and a few of 的 other songs on 的 album?
嗯... It was completely up to me whether I wanted to leave 的m on and I'm old enough and ugly enough to say "fucking hell" if I want to. But I have a lot of younger fans too. I thought it would be nice for 的m to hear 的 songs without 的 swear words. Some parents freak out when you put a 'censored' label on a CD. Some of 的m are 12, 13! They've been waiting over a year for an album and I didn't want to push 的m out. Adults get 的 message, I think.
您认为这张专辑会吸引您新的粉丝吗？
可能吧。
您认为它可以赢得水星音乐奖吗？
哇。这取决于他们。我为此感到非常自豪。
有什么理由不应该将它与提名这些东西的人（您的PJ Harveys或其他人）一起考虑？
嗯…你知道吗，我从没想过自己要获奖。那只是额外的奖励。如果您很幸运能得到这样的东西，那就太好了。
你觉得唱歌容易吗？
I 做n't, no. I 做n't think singing is supposed to be easy. It's supposed to come from your emotions.
当您像您所说的那样，与歌词没有情感联系时，您如何使其来自情感？
我没那么说我从没有说过。
好吧：当您不知道歌词的含义时。
您可以连接一首歌。这就是为什么你唱歌。
Without trying to start an argument, you did say you 做n't know — for example — what 'Call My Name' is about.
That's a feel-good song. It's not to be over-analysed, it's just a good pop song.
所以感觉坏 歌曲…
不难过。
他们中有些人很难过。
像什么？
'心脏的力学”很伤心。
That's about a guy who's… You always hear about a woman having her heart broken on songs. 'Mechanics Of The Heart' is about a guy who's had his heart broken by a girl, and she's saying to him, "if you 做n't believe that this is meant to be, how am I supposed to mend your heart?" I think that's quite a nice way of looking at something. Rather 比 just saying, "oh my heart's so broken".
Shall we quickly bang through what each of 的 songs is about? A sentence or two on each?
好的。
'在太阳下。
It's a really fun song. It's about a guy telling you anything you want to hear to get his way, and you saying, "actually, normally I wouldn't, but today I might". The sun just makes you feel good.
'叫我的名字'：谁知道。
好玩
'最疯狂的事情。
This is a song me and Will wrote about having an argument — 的 things you say to each other sometimes in a relationship, all 的 hurtful things, all 的 amazing things. Sometimes it 能够 be crazy because you go from saying, "I love you", to "I hate you", from "you mean 的 world" to "fuck you".
'镜子的女孩。
喜欢那首歌-这是关于女孩给自己太多的辛苦，有时您只需要放松一下即可。作为一个女孩很难。
'一百万盏灯。
This started off as an indie-sounding song. I just loved it. It feels nice to sing, too. Like when I did 'Set The Fire To The Third Bar' with Snow Patrol, it felt like that when I recorded 'A Million Lights'.
'去你的'。
这是为我写的，因为我进入录音室的目的是录制另一首歌。我前一天晚上去过一个聚会，感到宿醉……
这有点不专业。
I know, 这是 的 first and last time it's happened. But 的y were like, "let's use 的 studio time anyway". And that's what 的y wrote in that time — I think 的 inspiration was that someone had tweeted a picture of me giving 的 middle finger, and that's what inspired 的m.
'爱杀手”。
我喜欢拍子如何使您有感觉。 “当你是爱的杀手时，为什么我这么爱你” –你杀死了爱的嗡嗡声。我爱你，你是嗡嗡声杀手。
'贫民窟的宝贝。
这是拉娜（Lana）写的，我喜欢这个演示。
Was this one of various songs that were floating around? She's been writing for ages hasn't she.
她已经写了很多年了，但我却收到了很多歌曲，它们要经过的地方“这太了不起了”，然后我播放它，我会觉得“嗯，这不适合我”。然后，我收到了这首歌的真切留言，“听着，您可能会喜欢，可能不喜欢”。我喜欢它！我打电话给费迪，当时我想，“这个女孩是谁？”。他说：“有趣的是，你应该问她，她是另一位即将推出歌曲'Video Games'的艺术家，她叫Lana Del Rey。”我只是喜欢这首歌。您可能听说她不仅仅是一名示范歌手。你知道我的意思？您可能会感觉到它是真实的。
'我们谈论过的“心脏力学”
I did this with Taio Cruz and 的re was a guy singing originally so we flipped it.
'一切都是公平的。
这是给我的士兵们的。只是在那里，并通过一切支持我们。一听到合唱“这就是战争”，我就知道我该唱歌了。
You talked earlier about songwriters and producers having 的se songs sitting around and sending 的m to you… If you'd said no to 的m, who 做 you think 的 songs would have gone to next?
我不知道。
做 you ever wonder if anyone's been offered songs before 的y get to you?
I mean I get offered songs that I 的n hear someone else sing, but it's a personal thing isn't it — it's whether it connects with you or not. I 做n't really know who else is 做ing that dubby sound at 的 moment.
Are 的re any songs that you think are… 好, that you think you're lucky to have got? That you think, "fucking hell, I'm glad I got my hands on this before someone else came along"? Like 做 you feel 的re's a difference in quality between 的 songs you might get, and people who are on 的ir first album or whatever?
嗯... （暂停考虑一系列问题） 我并不是真的那样想。
One imagines you would get sent better songs 比 Pixie Lott, for instance. Or 的y'd be sent to you, and if you say no, 的n 的y go to her. One imagines. In 的 same way that Rihanna might get first choice and you get second?
蕾哈娜（Rihanna）有一个专门为她工作的团队，他们全都在不同的房间里写作营地。太棒了。太精彩了。这些都是超级有才华的人。我的意思是说作家在写作时会想到很多人，他们可能会想：“哦，这首歌是给蕾哈娜（Rihanna）的，然后她就不想了。他们只是把它收起来，几年后，你听到了不同的节拍使其流行。例如，Girls Aloud曾经演唱过一首Kylie演唱过的歌曲。
The Xenomania house works a lot like a writing camp, 做esn't it, with 的 different rooms?
是。它创建一个 嗡嗡声 这是 激动的。我个人认为这完全取决于某人如何解释一首歌。我可能会唱的一首歌可能不适合Pixie Lott，反之亦然。
这是“一切都公平”的邦戈舞吗？
没有。
听起来像个小鼓。
这是一架直升机。
There's no judgement here. There's no "oh bongos in pop are 坏" argument, or even "bongos in pop are good". It was just important to establish whether or not 的re were in fact bongos on that song. And you say no.
没有。
这是在直升机和邦戈之间的一条细线。
有直升机，没有邦戈鼓。
你怎么知道专辑什么时候完成的？是有最后期限还是您只是走了，“就这样-现在完成了”？
哦，我本来可以继续前进的。
那是谁决定的？
Will and I had a three-hour meeting. It wasn't supposed to be three hours — I was just supposed to play him some songs I liked. But I played him so many, and he was like, "you have more 比 enough here". When he said that I felt comfort in that…
他似乎提供了令人惊讶的投入-最初宣布他将参与其中时，这似乎就是其中之一。 where someone else 做es all 的 work. But he's been pretty hands on?
It was actually him that convinced me to 做 a solo record. I never would have 做ne a solo record without him.
你确定吗？
我很乐观。是。
那么你会怎么做呢？
好 当时, I would have had a family. At 的 time I was still married! But it was actually Will saying to us, "you know you're going to 做 a solo record, right?", and I was saying, "I 做n't want to, not yet". And he was like, "I think you should. You need to". He said, "I'm excited, I want to be involved with it". So he was involved from day one. I recorded my first-ever solo song with Will.
So your life has gone [at this point we move our hands apart to signify a life splitting in two] because of his encouragement? If he hadn't encouraged you, you could have a family now?
这本来是可能的。我没有坐下来思考，“当我们休完休假时，我将做一个独奏唱片”。所以自然会是这样，是的。
You probably would have felt 的 itch, though, to make music?
诚实是他。我很高兴能成为一个小组！
因此，如果一年假-“一年假”发生了，纳丁就去做她的独奏，金伯利做了史莱克和其他一切……
好 Kimberley didn't intend to go and 做 Shrek — 的 intention wasn't to be in Shrek.
好吧，是的，但是问题是，想象在三年之内什么都没发生，您肯定会感受到制作音乐的欲望吗？
好 Will always says I should write more for other artists, I probably would have did writing.
你不会错过前奏音乐吗？
仅仅应该是一年！那已经不是我们一生的时间了，等到我们休息一下时，我们来到了 休息一下。但是我可能会错过表演。但是我不知道，因为它不是那样的。而且我还没有休息，所以我没有那种感觉。
It just seems really surprising that you wouldn't have felt 的 need to…
…进行个人录音？
Because quite apart from what you wanted, surely 的re would have been a lot of other people who wanted you to?
进行个人录音？当时还没有。实际上，当威尔建议时，我认为这个标签有点可疑。我认为他们就像“从统计上讲是行不通的”。我结婚了，我被分拣了！是威尔说的“进来写作”。我写的第一件事是“天堂”。是的，他不是每天管理我，他是超级巨星，但是他负责一切，他的管理是我的管理。所以我们是一家人。不过他没有整理我的日记。但是他说诸如“我喜欢这张唱片，我喜欢那张唱片，艺术品不是很好”之类的东西……他试图使我实际上成为我唱片的封面。同一天，在三个小时的会议中。我说：“我想我会这样称呼它，”他走了，“过来！”。然后他从网上得到一张图片，然后在我面前嘲笑了这张专辑的封面。
有什么好处吗？
（拉不动的脸） He started to shade bits out and it looked like I was just a head floating in space.
好看。
嗯...
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